If We Knew Then - Down Syndrome Podcast

We are Stephen and Lori Saux, the hosts of the If We Knew Then podcast and parents of two children. Our youngest, Liam, just happens to have Down syndrome. When Liam was born, we didn’t know very much about Down syndrome, and most of the information we did have wasn’t very hopeful, positive, or truthful. Well, this podcast was created to change that. Through honest conversations with parents, self-advocates, educators, medical professionals, and community leaders, If We Knew Then aims to share stories that break down stereotypes to help redefine what it means to live a life that includes Down syndrome.

Each episode is an invitation to see beyond archaic assumptions and into the truth that our children’s lives are full of potential, love and value. This podcast is more than just a podcast; it’s a community where caregivers can find support and encouragement. Where the fears we carry can be met with understanding and where victories, big and small, are celebrated together. Our mission is to empower families to create change through advocacy and to remind the world that inclusion is not only possible but essential... for all of us.

We believe in sharing the true experiences that often go unheard and in building a future where every person with Down syndrome writes their own story. Whether you’re a parent just starting this journey, an educator seeking insight or an ally who wants to stand with the Down syndrome community, you belong here. This is where caregivers find connection, love fuels advocacy and the true narrative of Down syndrome is written.

Why we started recording:

When we began, we did not plan to start a movement. We wanted to make sense of what we were learning as parents. Early on, every appointment focused on what Liam might not do, rather than what he could do with support. We looked for voices that offered perspective and encouragement. Finding few, we decided to record our own.

Each episode is structured around a single topic. We have covered medical updates, inclusive education, communication, advocacy in schools, and the transition to adulthood. We approach every conversation as parents asking questions, not experts delivering answers. Over time, the audience has grown into a community that includes families, teachers and professionals who use the podcast to learn from one another.

Listeners often contact us to say that the podcast helped them during the first days after receiving a diagnosis. Some teachers have written that the interviews helped them adjust classroom practices to better include students with intellectual disabilities. These specific outcomes show the impact that open and factual discussion can have.

What we know now:

The name If We Knew Then came from a conversation about hindsight. We often thought about what we would have done differently if we had known more in the beginning. We would have pushed sooner for inclusion and worried less about milestones set by comparison rather than need.

Through the podcast, we continue to learn from others who share that same reflection. Parents speak honestly about uncertainty after diagnosis. Educators explain methods that lead to student progress. Doctors describe how life expectancy and quality of care have improved over the past few decades and people with Down syndrome share their true experiences.

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

Advocacy on our podcast focuses on practical changes. We address how to prepare for Individualized Education Program (IEP) meetings, how to communicate with healthcare providers, how to navigate social situations that can exclude people with disabilities and our realization that living a life with Down syndrome in it, may quite possibly be the best thing to happen to our entire family.

The goal is to replace assumptions with information. For example, speech and occupational therapists have described the importance of early intervention programs backed by research. Self-advocates have discussed how workplace inclusion improves both independence and confidence. Parents have shared how support networks reduce isolation and increase access to accurate resources.

The stories collected through If We Knew Then form a record of how Down syndrome advocacy continues to change. Decades ago, most children with Down syndrome were not included in general education classrooms. Now, federal law and better understanding of differentiated instruction have made inclusion more common. Hearing firsthand accounts of this progress helps new families understand what is possible.

An ongoing conversation:

If We Knew Then is available on all major podcast platforms. Each episode is ad-free and open to anyone interested in Down syndrome, inclusive education or family advocacy. We continue to record from our home in California and produce new episodes several times each month.

Our purpose remains clear: to provide accurate information, document lived experiences and encourage inclusion in schools and communities. By sharing practical advice and real examples, we hope to motivate our community to be the authors of their own stories and let the past misperceptions and stereotypes fade away.

Why we started recording:

What we know now:

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

An ongoing conversation:

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Episodes

Friday Jun 04, 2021

58. COVID-19, Vaccinations and Picking Up Where We Left Off on the Road to Inclusion with Dr. Brian Skotko

Friday Jun 04, 2021

In this week’s episode Dr. Brian Skotko shares the most up to date information surrounding the effects of COVID-19 on individuals with Down syndrome. We discuss the importance, safety and science of the vaccine along with tools to help with the process. As we enter back into the world, post-pandemic, the importance of inclusion in society continues along with so much more.
Down Syndrome Clinic to You: www.dsc2u.org
T21 Research Society: https://www.t21rs.org
COVID-19 Fact Sheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTAe4CVSGc8g63LMiTZftecZb-qHJbRdurgpvoRiyBg/edit?usp=sharing
Information for the employer and the employee: https://yournextstar.com/
Always Health Care: https://dsc2u.org/insurers
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/06/04/811/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday May 28, 2021

57. Revisiting The Story of Chris Nikic: Becoming an IRONMAN

Friday May 28, 2021

In this week’s episode we revisit one of our earlier conversations. We had the honor of talking to Chris Nikic and his parents, Nik and Patty last summer. In November Chris became the first person with Down syndrome to complete an IRONMAN. We discuss their 1% philosophy and how people with Down Syndrome can do more than ever expected if given the right tools and time.
Chris's Website: https://chrisnikic.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/05/27/57-revisiting-the-story-of-chris-nikic-becoming-an-ironman/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday May 20, 2021

56. My Twin Brother Has Down Syndrome: Our Community Conversation with Julia Toronczak

Thursday May 20, 2021

This week we talk to Julia Toronczak about her experiences and the lessons she’s learned by growing up with her twin brother Michael, who has Down syndrome. We focus on inclusion and equity in our community and beyond.
Beyond The Waves Blog: https://www.beyondthewavesblog.com
Beyond The Waves Podcast: https://www.beyondthewavesblog.com/podcast
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/05/20/56-my-twin-brother-has-down-syndrome-our-conversation-with-julia-toronczak/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday May 13, 2021

55. Coming Down The Mountain, Part 2: Why This Movie is so Important - An Interview with Director Julia Anne Robinson

Thursday May 13, 2021

Executive Director of ‘Bridgerton’, Julia Anne Robinson, joins us to discuss a film she directed in 2007 called ‘Coming Down The Mountain’ and starring Tommy Jessop and Nicholas Hoult. We breakdown this film that changed our lives and told some truths about the journey that rarely get talked about.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/05/12/55-coming-down-the-mountain-part-2-why-this-movie-is-so-important-an-interview-with-director-julia-anna-robinson/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday May 06, 2021

54. Mother (noun): An Ultimate Example of Its Kind - Our Mother’s Day Message

Thursday May 06, 2021

Happy Mother’s Day! Sunday, May 9, 2021 is Mother’s Day for our Canadian, Australian & American listeners. Mothering Sunday in the UK was back in March and in Mexico, Mothers are celebrated every year on May 10th. Wherever you are, whomever you are and however you celebrate… this episode is for all the Mothers of the world.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/05/06/54-mother-noun-an-ultimate-example-of-its-kind-our-mothers-day-message/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Apr 29, 2021

53. Discussing Infertility and a Down Syndrome Diagnosis with Natalie Spiteri

Thursday Apr 29, 2021

In this episode, Physical Therapist, Natalie Spiteri shares her personal journey through infertility, the impact of a diagnosis of Down syndrome and the yearning for the life she imagined beyond what she was told.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/04/29/53-discussing-infertility-and-a-down-syndrome-diagnosis-with-natalie-spiteri/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Apr 22, 2021

52. A Community Conversation with Megyn Price: Celebrating Uncle Bill

Thursday Apr 22, 2021

This week we are joined by actress Megyn Price to discuss inclusion, the importance of encouraging others to express their uniqueness and how her Uncle, who had Down syndrome, affected her family in a positive way.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/04/22/52-a-conversation-with-megyn-price-celebrating-uncle-bill/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Apr 16, 2021

51. Eleven Years With Liam: Celebrating Another Trip Around The Sun

Friday Apr 16, 2021

This year Liam turned 11 and in this episode we reflect where we started, what we've learned and where we are. Let's celebrate... always celebrate.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/04/16/51-eleven-years-with-liam-celebrating-another-trip-around-the-sun/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Apr 08, 2021

50. Acknowledging and Dismantling Fear’s Presence In Our Lives: An Interview with Karen Maezen Miller

Thursday Apr 08, 2021

Another beautiful conversation with Zen Buddhist Priest Karen Maezen Miller. We all have fears. What if we could see what is at the root of these fears, acknowledge and deconstruct them and then continue forward free from those fears.
Her books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/04/08/50-acknowledging-and-dismantling-fears-presence-in-our-lives-an-interview-with-karen-maezen-miller/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Mar 25, 2021

49. Discussing Health and Inclusion with Pediatrician Dr. Mona Patel Gera

Thursday Mar 25, 2021

An enlightening conversation with Dr. Mona Patel Gera to answer the questions parents of children with Down syndrome often have.
Health Supervision Guidelines: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/developmental-disabilities/Documents/Health_Care_Information_for_Families_of_Children_with_Down_Syndrome.pdf
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/49-discussing-health-and-inclusion-with-pediatrician-dr-mona-patel-gera/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Mar 18, 2021

48. World Down Syndrome Day: The Path To Finding Our Celebration

Thursday Mar 18, 2021

March 21st is World Down Syndrome Day and we discuss our personal journey to find our celebration and what it means to us.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/03/16/48-world-down-syndrome-day-the-path-to-finding-our-celebration/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thursday Mar 11, 2021

47. What Do We Do When Faced with Challenges and Negativity? An Interview with Karen Maezen Miller

Thursday Mar 11, 2021

As parents, we all find ourselves dealing with confusing emotions and challenges from time to time. In this conversation, Zen Buddhist Priest Karen Maezen Miller, gives us some guidance to help us deal with the negative.
Her books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/03/11/47-what-do-we-do-when-faced-with-challenges-and-negativity-an-interview-with-karen-maezen-miller/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thank you for listening!

We are so happy that we can connect with people from all over the world and we appreciate you. If you would be so kind to rate, subscribe and comment where ever you listen to podcasts, it would help us reach an even larger audience.

All the best to you and please stay in touch. Stephen and Lori Saux