If We Knew Then - Down Syndrome Podcast

We are Stephen and Lori Saux, the hosts of the If We Knew Then podcast and parents of two children. Our youngest, Liam, just happens to have Down syndrome. When Liam was born, we didn’t know very much about Down syndrome, and most of the information we did have wasn’t very hopeful, positive, or truthful. Well, this podcast was created to change that. Through honest conversations with parents, self-advocates, educators, medical professionals, and community leaders, If We Knew Then aims to share stories that break down stereotypes to help redefine what it means to live a life that includes Down syndrome.

Each episode is an invitation to see beyond archaic assumptions and into the truth that our children’s lives are full of potential, love and value. This podcast is more than just a podcast; it’s a community where caregivers can find support and encouragement. Where the fears we carry can be met with understanding and where victories, big and small, are celebrated together. Our mission is to empower families to create change through advocacy and to remind the world that inclusion is not only possible but essential... for all of us.

We believe in sharing the true experiences that often go unheard and in building a future where every person with Down syndrome writes their own story. Whether you’re a parent just starting this journey, an educator seeking insight or an ally who wants to stand with the Down syndrome community, you belong here. This is where caregivers find connection, love fuels advocacy and the true narrative of Down syndrome is written.

Why we started recording:

When we began, we did not plan to start a movement. We wanted to make sense of what we were learning as parents. Early on, every appointment focused on what Liam might not do, rather than what he could do with support. We looked for voices that offered perspective and encouragement. Finding few, we decided to record our own.

Each episode is structured around a single topic. We have covered medical updates, inclusive education, communication, advocacy in schools, and the transition to adulthood. We approach every conversation as parents asking questions, not experts delivering answers. Over time, the audience has grown into a community that includes families, teachers and professionals who use the podcast to learn from one another.

Listeners often contact us to say that the podcast helped them during the first days after receiving a diagnosis. Some teachers have written that the interviews helped them adjust classroom practices to better include students with intellectual disabilities. These specific outcomes show the impact that open and factual discussion can have.

What we know now:

The name If We Knew Then came from a conversation about hindsight. We often thought about what we would have done differently if we had known more in the beginning. We would have pushed sooner for inclusion and worried less about milestones set by comparison rather than need.

Through the podcast, we continue to learn from others who share that same reflection. Parents speak honestly about uncertainty after diagnosis. Educators explain methods that lead to student progress. Doctors describe how life expectancy and quality of care have improved over the past few decades and people with Down syndrome share their true experiences.

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

Advocacy on our podcast focuses on practical changes. We address how to prepare for Individualized Education Program (IEP) meetings, how to communicate with healthcare providers, how to navigate social situations that can exclude people with disabilities and our realization that living a life with Down syndrome in it, may quite possibly be the best thing to happen to our entire family.

The goal is to replace assumptions with information. For example, speech and occupational therapists have described the importance of early intervention programs backed by research. Self-advocates have discussed how workplace inclusion improves both independence and confidence. Parents have shared how support networks reduce isolation and increase access to accurate resources.

The stories collected through If We Knew Then form a record of how Down syndrome advocacy continues to change. Decades ago, most children with Down syndrome were not included in general education classrooms. Now, federal law and better understanding of differentiated instruction have made inclusion more common. Hearing firsthand accounts of this progress helps new families understand what is possible.

An ongoing conversation:

If We Knew Then is available on all major podcast platforms. Each episode is ad-free and open to anyone interested in Down syndrome, inclusive education or family advocacy. We continue to record from our home in California and produce new episodes several times each month.

Our purpose remains clear: to provide accurate information, document lived experiences and encourage inclusion in schools and communities. By sharing practical advice and real examples, we hope to motivate our community to be the authors of their own stories and let the past misperceptions and stereotypes fade away.

Why we started recording:

What we know now:

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

An ongoing conversation:

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Episodes

Sunday Aug 27, 2023

154. Revisiting Our Interview with Megyn Price

Sunday Aug 27, 2023

This is our conversation with actress Megyn Price to discuss inclusion, the importance of encouraging others to express their uniqueness and how her Uncle, who had Down syndrome, affected her family in a positive way.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/08/27/154-revisiting-our-interview-with-megyn-price/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Aug 20, 2023

153. Revisiting Jad Issa’s Story: A Man with Down Syndrome Raises a Family - An Interview with Sader Issa

Sunday Aug 20, 2023

This week we revisit the story of Jad Issa, a man with Down Syndrome who is a husband, father and respected citizen. At diagnosis, parents of children with Down syndrome are immediately told all the things their child won’t do. Jad’s life shows us that these preconceptions aren’t only untrue but the very belief in them often cause limitations. As with every child, all things are possible. We hope that this conversation with Jad’s son Sader, a dentist in Damascus, brings comfort to parents to believe in what may be thought of as impossible.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/08/20/jad-issa/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Aug 13, 2023

152. Revisiting The Canadian Down Syndrome Society’s Project Understood - Training Speech Recognition Technology

Sunday Aug 13, 2023

This episode is the entire conversation we had with Matt MacNeil and Ed Casagrande from the Canadian Down Syndrome Society concerning their collaboration with Google AI to create a database that can help train Google’s speech recognition technology to better understand people with Down syndrome.
Donate your voice at: https://projectunderstood.ca
Learn more about the CDSS: https://cdss.ca
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/08/13/152-revisiting-the-canadian-down-syndromes-project-understood-training-speech-technology/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Aug 06, 2023

151. The New York City Buddy Walk and Times Square Video with Abby Brandon-Livits and Misty Adams

Sunday Aug 06, 2023

This week we are joined by Abby Brandon-Livits and Misty Adams from the National Down Syndrome Society to talk about the 2023 NYC Buddy Walk and it’s wonderful Times Square Video presentation that redefines the image of the Down syndrome community.
NYC Buddy Walk website: https://give.ndss.org/event/2023-new-york-city-buddy-walk-r/e478474
National Down Syndrome Society: www.NDSS.org
FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/NDSS1979
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ndssorg/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/08/06/151-nyc-buddy-walk/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Jul 30, 2023

150. Down Syndrome Research, Ableism and The Right To Just Be with Dr. Eric Rubenstein

Sunday Jul 30, 2023

Today we're joined again by Dr. Eric Rubenstein, an Assistant Professor of Epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health. Eric is a researcher, a volunteer for the Special Olympics and a lifelong advocate of individuals with Down syndrome. This conversation is a round table discussion of change and evolution, progress and insights that we feel so fortunate to be able to share with each of you today.
Eric’s Website: https://sites.bu.edu/rubenstein
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/07/30/150-ableism/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Jul 23, 2023

149. Down Syndrome and Alzheimer’s Research with Dr. Tom Mahan

Sunday Jul 23, 2023

Today we're joined by Dr. Tom Mahan, who specializes in Alzheimer’s research with a focus on individuals with Down syndrome. Tom is a father of three boys and his oldest son, Teddy, has down syndrome which is what sparked him into taking his already existing research of Alzheimer’s and guiding it to a focus on individuals with Down syndrome.
ABC-DS: https://www.nia.nih.gov/research/abc-ds
NIH INCLUDE Project: https://www.nih.gov/include-project
DSDN Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/DownSyndromeDiagnosisNetwork
DSDN Website: https://www.dsdiagnosisnetwork.org/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/07/23/149-alzheimers/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Jul 16, 2023

148. RODS Heroes - Our Interview with Brady Murray

Sunday Jul 16, 2023

This week we visit with Brady Murray of RODS Heroes, an organization meant to inspire families to answer the call to adopt children born with Down syndrome and other special abilities. Brady and his wife Andrea have seven children and it was their adopted son Cooper who brought our attention to the Murray’s advocacy though his appearances throwing out the first pitch a Major League Baseball games. In this conversation we also talk about Brady’s Special Needs Life Planning venture, Special Abilities Network and discuss his eldest son, Nash and the experience of receiving Nash’s Down syndrome diagnosis in 2007.
RODS Heroes: https://rods.org
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/rodsheroes
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rodsheroes/
Special Abilities Network: https://specialabilitiesnetwork.com/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/07/16/148-rods-heros/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Sunday Jul 09, 2023

147. T21 Coffee - Giving Back to the Down Syndrome Community - Johan Lindborg

Sunday Jul 09, 2023

In this episode, we speak with Johan Lindborg, founder of t21 Coffee. We had a beautiful conversation discussing his journey with his 12 year old son Cooper and how he has transformed from the doubts he had and the darkness he felt when receiving the Down syndrome diagnosis. It is an open and honest discussion that touches on fears to which any parent can relate. In the face of those fears, he created T21 Coffee, which both employs individuals with Down syndrome and donates a portion of every bag sold to Down syndrome research.
T21 Coffee: https://www.t21coffee.com
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/t21coffee
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t21coffee1/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/07/09/147-t21-coffee/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Saturday Jul 01, 2023

146. Down Syndrome Diagnosis Network (DSDN) with Ben Hughes

Saturday Jul 01, 2023

Today we are joined by Ben Hughs to discuss the Down Syndrome Diagnosis Network (DSDN) and how it empowers new parents with online supports, information, and resources. We also talk about the in person “Rockin’ Retreats” that offer our community the connection and respite necessary, but not always utilized, on the journey for every parent and caregiver.
DSDN Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/DownSyndromeDiagnosisNetwork
DSDN Website: https://www.dsdiagnosisnetwork.org/
DSDN Retreats: https://www.dsdiagnosisnetwork.org/dsdn-retreats
Ben’s Email: ben@dsdiagnosisnetwork.org
Governor Pritzker’s Commencement Speech: https://youtu.be/NhuIU_kXJDE
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/07/01/146-dsdn/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Monday Jun 26, 2023

145. A Grassroots Movement to Change the Narrative: A Conversation with Ted Green

Monday Jun 26, 2023

Ted Green is a documentarian whose latest film, ‘The Best We’ve Got: The Carl Erskine Story’, will be airing on PBS SoCal July 4th. Ted’s film is an in-depth look at Carl Erskine, a Dodgers pitcher whose son Jimmie was born with Down syndrome 63 years ago, a time in our country’s history when segregation plagued humanity. Carl and Betty, when faced with the inevitable institutionalization of their son, which was the option that was customarily given by the medical community to protect the integrity of their family unit, made the choice to take their child home and raise him. A decision for the time that took great courage, taking some of the first steps to change the narrative of Down syndrome.
Stream The Film: https://watch.eventive.org/heartlandfilm
Website: https://www.carlerskinefilm.com
EPIC Website: http://soindiana.org/EPIC
EPIC Promo (3:30): https://vimeo.com/710911325/b293dfbb38
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/06/26/145-ted-green/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Monday Jun 19, 2023

144. Non-Speaking Is Not Non-Communicating - Vaish and Sid Sarathy

Monday Jun 19, 2023

Today we are joined by Vaish and Sid Sarathy. Dr. Vaish Sarathy is a functional nutrition practitioner and science educator. She is the founder of Functional Nutrition for Kids and Plum Pudding Chemistry, both practices designed to optimize the learning potential of kids with Down syndrome and/or autism using both functional medicine and non-linear education principles. Sid, who has the diagnoses of autism, Down syndrome, and non-speaking, is, among other things, a poet with two published books of poetry.
In this episode, we discuss their journey with communication, breaking down barriers of misperception and limiting thoughts to support Sid in freeing his voice and the responsibility that freedom brings with it.
Full Interview Video (01:33:17): https://youtu.be/DkE4ZkYdSjM
Sid’s Poetry Books: https://push-press.blogspot.com
Sid’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/downlikesid/
Vaish’s Website: https://functionalnutritionforkids.com
Vaish’s Podcast Funtional Nutrition & Learning For Kids: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/functional-nutrition-and-learning-for-kids/id1478145610
Rapid Prompting Method (RPM): https://www.halo-soma.org
Chris Martin’s Website: www.UnrestrictedInterest.com
Connections Academy: https://www.connectionsacademy.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/06/19/144/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Monday Jun 12, 2023

143. Letting Go: A Conversation with Karen Maezen Miller

Monday Jun 12, 2023

In this episode we speak again to Zen Buddhist Priest, Karen Maezen Miller and discuss the art of letting go, letting the answers be in the moment, and finding surrender in acceptance of that moment.
Karen Maezen Miller Website: https://karenmaezenmiller.com
Maezen’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2023/06/09/143-letting-go/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

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All the best to you and please stay in touch. Stephen and Lori Saux