If We Knew Then - Down Syndrome Podcast

We are Stephen and Lori Saux, the hosts of the If We Knew Then podcast and parents of two children. Our youngest, Liam, just happens to have Down syndrome. When Liam was born, we didn’t know very much about Down syndrome, and most of the information we did have wasn’t very hopeful, positive, or truthful. Well, this podcast was created to change that. Through honest conversations with parents, self-advocates, educators, medical professionals, and community leaders, If We Knew Then aims to share stories that break down stereotypes to help redefine what it means to live a life that includes Down syndrome.

Each episode is an invitation to see beyond archaic assumptions and into the truth that our children’s lives are full of potential, love and value. This podcast is more than just a podcast; it’s a community where caregivers can find support and encouragement. Where the fears we carry can be met with understanding and where victories, big and small, are celebrated together. Our mission is to empower families to create change through advocacy and to remind the world that inclusion is not only possible but essential... for all of us.

We believe in sharing the true experiences that often go unheard and in building a future where every person with Down syndrome writes their own story. Whether you’re a parent just starting this journey, an educator seeking insight or an ally who wants to stand with the Down syndrome community, you belong here. This is where caregivers find connection, love fuels advocacy and the true narrative of Down syndrome is written.

Why we started recording:

When we began, we did not plan to start a movement. We wanted to make sense of what we were learning as parents. Early on, every appointment focused on what Liam might not do, rather than what he could do with support. We looked for voices that offered perspective and encouragement. Finding few, we decided to record our own.

Each episode is structured around a single topic. We have covered medical updates, inclusive education, communication, advocacy in schools, and the transition to adulthood. We approach every conversation as parents asking questions, not experts delivering answers. Over time, the audience has grown into a community that includes families, teachers and professionals who use the podcast to learn from one another.

Listeners often contact us to say that the podcast helped them during the first days after receiving a diagnosis. Some teachers have written that the interviews helped them adjust classroom practices to better include students with intellectual disabilities. These specific outcomes show the impact that open and factual discussion can have.

What we know now:

The name If We Knew Then came from a conversation about hindsight. We often thought about what we would have done differently if we had known more in the beginning. We would have pushed sooner for inclusion and worried less about milestones set by comparison rather than need.

Through the podcast, we continue to learn from others who share that same reflection. Parents speak honestly about uncertainty after diagnosis. Educators explain methods that lead to student progress. Doctors describe how life expectancy and quality of care have improved over the past few decades and people with Down syndrome share their true experiences.

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

Advocacy on our podcast focuses on practical changes. We address how to prepare for Individualized Education Program (IEP) meetings, how to communicate with healthcare providers, how to navigate social situations that can exclude people with disabilities and our realization that living a life with Down syndrome in it, may quite possibly be the best thing to happen to our entire family.

The goal is to replace assumptions with information. For example, speech and occupational therapists have described the importance of early intervention programs backed by research. Self-advocates have discussed how workplace inclusion improves both independence and confidence. Parents have shared how support networks reduce isolation and increase access to accurate resources.

The stories collected through If We Knew Then form a record of how Down syndrome advocacy continues to change. Decades ago, most children with Down syndrome were not included in general education classrooms. Now, federal law and better understanding of differentiated instruction have made inclusion more common. Hearing firsthand accounts of this progress helps new families understand what is possible.

An ongoing conversation:

If We Knew Then is available on all major podcast platforms. Each episode is ad-free and open to anyone interested in Down syndrome, inclusive education or family advocacy. We continue to record from our home in California and produce new episodes several times each month.

Our purpose remains clear: to provide accurate information, document lived experiences and encourage inclusion in schools and communities. By sharing practical advice and real examples, we hope to motivate our community to be the authors of their own stories and let the past misperceptions and stereotypes fade away.

Why we started recording:

What we know now:

Concrete facts that replace old fears with knowledge.

We know now that advocacy is most effective when it starts with accurate information and cooperation among families, professionals and self-advocates. That belief shapes every episode we record.

What advocacy means in practice:

An ongoing conversation:

Listen on:

Video Version of

IF WE KNEW THEN

CLICK HERE to watch the podcast.

Episodes

Friday Jun 24, 2022

106. Zeno Mountain Farm: Telling Stories of Diversity and Inclusion - Ila Halby

Friday Jun 24, 2022

It was so nice spending some time with founder Ila Halby to talk about the Zeno Mountain Farm Camps, their feature film “Best Summer Ever” and the power of representation in film. Whether used as a noun or a verb, Zeno stands for inclusion.
Zeno’s Website: https://zenomountainfarm.org
Zeno’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/zenomountainfarm/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/23/106-zeno-mountain-farm-telling-stories-of-diversity-and-inclusion-ila-halby/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Jun 17, 2022

105. The Improvaneer Method: Using Improvisation To Build Skills and Change Perceptions - An interview with Rob Snow

Friday Jun 17, 2022

In this episode we are joined by Rob Snow, the founder of The Improvaneer Method. The Improvaneer Method uses improvisation to build skills that will greatly improve social, workplace and lifetime opportunities in those with developmental disabilities. With both in-person and online classes, it is widely assessable and has been a real game changer for many people in our community. We also talk briefly about Rob’s book, ‘What I Should Have Said’ and his ‘Minimize The Mountain’ talk.
Improvaneer Method: https://www.theimprovaneermethod.com/
Rob’s Book ‘What I Should Have Said’: https://www.weneedasign.net/the-book
Minimize The Mountain (YouTube): https://youtu.be/MtZZ_7xZhT0
Stand Up for Downs: https://www.standupfordowns.org
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/17/105-the-improvaneer-method-using-improvisation-to-build-skills-and-change-perceptions-an-interview-with-rob-snow/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Jun 10, 2022

104. Lena Dunham: A Champion For Diversity and Inclusion

Friday Jun 10, 2022

This week we are honored to interview actress, writer, producer and director Lena Dunham. Lena cast our son, Liam, in her film SHARP STICK and it was one of the most supportive, inclusive and beautiful experiences we’ve had on this journey. Her set was a model environment for our society and we talk to her about how she developed her advocacy for so many marginalized groups and individuals, what she learned from working with Liam and her future family plans.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/104-lena-dunham-a-champion-for-diversity-and-inclusion/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Jun 03, 2022

103. Finding Our Way Through A Tough Conversation - Lynette Louise

Friday Jun 03, 2022

*Trigger Warning: The r-word is used in this conversation.
This week we interview Lynette Louise who is board certified in Neurofeedback. We were very interested in the science of Neurofeedback but early on in the conversation we moved to a serious discussion about the use of the r-word and the reasons why Lynette uses it. This episode may feel a bit intense for many of you and we understand why, but we highly recommend listening all the way through to the end.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/03/103-finding-our-way-through-a-tough-conversation-lynette-louise/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday May 27, 2022

102. DSC2U: Preventative and Proactive Means To Staying Healthy with Dr. Brian Skotko

Friday May 27, 2022

This week we get to talk to Dr. Brian Skotko again! Dr. Brian has some updates to DSC2U.org to discuss and we also chat about the T21RS International Conference that will be taking place in Long Beach, CA. June 9-12.
Dr. Brian Skotko is the director of the Down Syndrome Program at Massachusetts General Hospital, a Board-certified medical geneticist and has dedicated his professional energies toward children with cognitive and developmental disabilities.
DSC2U: https://www.dsc2u.org
5-min video about DSC2U: https://youtu.be/u-DlSQanj54
Trisomy 21 Research Society International Conference (June 2022): http://www.t21rs.org
More about Dr. Skotko: https://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/19069/brian-skotko
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/102-dsc2u-preventative-and-proactive-means-to-staying-healthy/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday May 20, 2022

101. Learning To Take Things Step By Step: with Michelle & Paul Tesori

Friday May 20, 2022

We were so fortunate to get to spend some time with Michelle and Paul Tesori. We met this Dynamic Duo through our good friend, actor Andy Buckley, and it is fitting that this episode is being released on PGA Championship weekend since Paul has been a PGA Tour caddie for nearly 20 years. Inspired by their son Isiah, Michelle and Paul created the Tesori Family Foundation to help support the Down syndrome community. We talk about education frustrations, what the Tesori's are doing to make a change and how we can harness our anger into a motivator to make a change.
The Tesori Foundation: https://tesorifamilyfoundation.org
Robb Scott’s Viral Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sPT6-iGBE
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/101-learning-to-take-things-step-by-step-with-michelle-paul-tesori/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday May 13, 2022

100. Celebrating 100 Episodes

Friday May 13, 2022

Well here we are! We’ve learned so much in these two years and one hundred episodes and take this time to reflect on this experience and focus on where we go next.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/13/100-celebrating-100-episodes/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday May 06, 2022

99. Remembering Your Power: Happy Mother’s Day

Friday May 06, 2022

Happy Mother’ Day! We dedicate this Mothers Day episode to celebrating your power and strength.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/06/99-remembering-your-power-happy-mothers-day/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Apr 15, 2022

98. The Easterseals Disability Film Challenge and The Importance of Everyone’s Story Being Told

Friday Apr 15, 2022

This week we discuss the details of the 2022 Easterseals Disability Film Challenge. We touch upon how and why we created this year's film, what the challenge has meant to our family in the last eight years and how allowing other's to share their stories is the key to true inclusion.
Our Entry’s Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/O_ENIwMCKls
Our Entry’s Website: www.JustForOneDayFilm.com
All Our Previous Entry's: https://ttmaba.com/dfc
The Festival’s Website: https://disabilityfilmchallenge.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/14/98-the-easterseals-disability-film-challenge-and-the-importance-of-everyones-story-being-told/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Apr 08, 2022

97. Trusting Your Journey and Embracing The Pivot - Karen Maezen Miller

Friday Apr 08, 2022

In this episode we sit down with Maezen and discuss the different paths this journey has taken us, the pivot in directions we have chosen, how to trust those choices and allow some ease and embrace the gifts.
Maezen’s Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/07/97-trusting-your-journey-and-embracing-the-pivot-karen-maezen-miller/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Apr 01, 2022

96. The Power Of Words: The Words We’ve Learned and How They Give Us Power

Friday Apr 01, 2022

In this episode we talk about some of the language/words we have learned that have had a profound impact on our journey and more specifically our quest for equality in Liam’s education.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/96-the-power-of-words-the-words-weve-learned-and-how-they-give-us-power/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Friday Mar 25, 2022

95. Aorta Borealis: Telling His Story Through Music with Jesse Norell

Friday Mar 25, 2022

In this episode we talk with Jesse Norell whose daughter’s diagnosis of Down syndrome and a heart condition inspired him to write an album. Using music as a cathartic means to heal and find his way through the unknown, Jesse shares his story in hopes of helping others find their song.
Order a CD: https://jessenorell.com/store
For people in the Minneapolis area, Jesse is playing an album release concert on Friday, April 8, 2022. Tickets are here: https://theparkwaytheater.com/all-events/jesse-norell-and-friends
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/03/24/95-aorta-borealis-telling-his-story-through-music-with-jesse-norell/2/
Please follow us on Twitter @ifweknewthenPOD you can drop us a line on our Facebook page @ifweknewthenPOD or visit our website https://www.IfWeKnewThen.com to send us an email with questions and comments. You can join our mailing list there and get alerts of future podcast episodes. Thank you again and we look forward to you joining us on the next episode of IF WE KNEW THEN.

Thank you for listening!

We are so happy that we can connect with people from all over the world and we appreciate you. If you would be so kind to rate, subscribe and comment where ever you listen to podcasts, it would help us reach an even larger audience.

All the best to you and please stay in touch. Stephen and Lori Saux