If We Knew Then - A Down Syndrome Podcast

107. Graduating Elementary School: A Culmination of What We Learned

Liam graduated from elementary school, on curriculum, in an inclusive classroom with his peers. We reflect on the moments that led to his accomplishment and what we could have done better if we knew then.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/07/07/107-graduating-elementary-school-a-culmination-of-what-we-learned/2/
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106. Zeno Mountain Farm: Telling Stories of Diversity and Inclusion - Ila Halby

It was so nice spending some time with founder Ila Halby to talk about the Zeno Mountain Farm Camps, their feature film “Best Summer Ever” and the power of representation in film. Whether used as a noun or a verb, Zeno stands for inclusion.
Zeno’s Website: https://zenomountainfarm.org
Zeno’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/zenomountainfarm/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/23/106-zeno-mountain-farm-telling-stories-of-diversity-and-inclusion-ila-halby/2/
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105. The Improvaneer Method: Using Improvisation To Build Skills and Change Perceptions - An interview with Rob Snow

In this episode we are joined by Rob Snow, the founder of The Improvaneer Method. The Improvaneer Method uses improvisation to build skills that will greatly improve social, workplace and lifetime opportunities in those with developmental disabilities. With both in-person and online classes, it is widely assessable and has been a real game changer for many people in our community. We also talk briefly about Rob’s book, ‘What I Should Have Said’ and his ‘Minimize The Mountain’ talk. 
Improvaneer Method:  https://www.theimprovaneermethod.com/
Rob’s Book ‘What I Should Have Said’: https://www.weneedasign.net/the-book
Minimize The Mountain (YouTube): https://youtu.be/MtZZ_7xZhT0
Stand Up for Downs: https://www.standupfordowns.org
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/17/105-the-improvaneer-method-using-improvisation-to-build-skills-and-change-perceptions-an-interview-with-rob-snow/2/
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104. Lena Dunham: A Champion For Diversity and Inclusion

This week we are honored to interview actress, writer, producer and director Lena Dunham. Lena cast our son, Liam, in her film SHARP STICK and it was one of the most supportive, inclusive and beautiful experiences we’ve had on this journey. Her set was a model environment for our society and we talk to her about how she developed her advocacy for so many marginalized groups and individuals, what she learned from working with Liam and her future family plans.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/104-lena-dunham-a-champion-for-diversity-and-inclusion/2/
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103. Finding Our Way Through A Tough Conversation - Lynette Louise

*Trigger Warning: The r-word is used in this conversation.
This week we interview Lynette Louise who is board certified in Neurofeedback. We were very interested in the science of Neurofeedback but early on in the conversation we moved to a serious discussion about the use of the r-word and the reasons why Lynette uses it. This episode may feel a bit intense for many of you and we understand why, but we highly recommend listening all the way through to the end.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/06/03/103-finding-our-way-through-a-tough-conversation-lynette-louise/2/
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102. DSC2U: Preventative and Proactive Means To Staying Healthy with Dr. Brian Skotko

This week we get to talk to Dr. Brian Skotko again! Dr. Brian has some updates to DSC2U.org to discuss and we also chat about the T21RS International Conference that will be taking place in Long Beach, CA. June 9-12.
Dr. Brian Skotko is the director of the Down Syndrome Program at Massachusetts General Hospital, a Board-certified medical geneticist and has dedicated his professional energies toward children with cognitive and developmental disabilities.
DSC2U: https://www.dsc2u.org
5-min video about DSC2U: https://youtu.be/u-DlSQanj54
Trisomy 21 Research Society International Conference (June 2022): http://www.t21rs.org
More about Dr. Skotko: https://www.massgeneral.org/doctors/19069/brian-skotko
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/102-dsc2u-preventative-and-proactive-means-to-staying-healthy/2/
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101. Learning To Take Things Step By Step: with Michelle & Paul Tesori

We were so fortunate to get to spend some time with Michelle and Paul Tesori. We met this Dynamic Duo through our good friend, actor Andy Buckley, and it is fitting that this episode is being released on PGA Championship weekend since Paul has been a PGA Tour caddie for nearly 20 years. Inspired by their son Isiah, Michelle and Paul created the Tesori Family Foundation to help support the Down syndrome community. We talk about education frustrations, what the Tesori's are doing to make a change and how we can harness our anger into a motivator to make a change.
The Tesori Foundation: https://tesorifamilyfoundation.org
Robb Scott’s Viral Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sPT6-iGBE
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/101-learning-to-take-things-step-by-step-with-michelle-paul-tesori/2/
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100. Celebrating 100 Episodes

Well here we are! We’ve learned so much in these two years and one hundred episodes and take this time to reflect on this experience and focus on where we go next.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/13/100-celebrating-100-episodes/2/
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99. Remembering Your Power: Happy Mother’s Day

Happy Mother’ Day! We dedicate this Mothers Day episode to celebrating your power and strength.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/05/06/99-remembering-your-power-happy-mothers-day/2/
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98. The Easterseals Disability Film Challenge and The Importance of Everyone’s Story Being Told

This week we discuss the details of the 2022 Easterseals Disability Film Challenge. We touch upon how and why we created this year's film, what the challenge has meant to our family in the last eight years and how allowing other's to share their stories is the key to true inclusion.
Our Entry’s Youtube Link: https://youtu.be/O_ENIwMCKls
Our Entry’s Website: www.JustForOneDayFilm.com
All Our Previous Entry's: https://ttmaba.com/dfc
The Festival’s Website: https://disabilityfilmchallenge.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/14/98-the-easterseals-disability-film-challenge-and-the-importance-of-everyones-story-being-told/2/
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97. Trusting Your Journey and Embracing The Pivot - Karen Maezen Miller

In this episode we sit down with Maezen and discuss the different paths this journey has taken us, the pivot in directions we have chosen, how to trust those choices and allow some ease and embrace the gifts.
Maezen’s Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Karen-Maezen-Miller/e/B001JP2RQ0/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/07/97-trusting-your-journey-and-embracing-the-pivot-karen-maezen-miller/2/
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96. The Power Of Words: The Words We’ve Learned and How They Give Us Power

In this episode we talk about some of the language/words we have learned that have had a profound impact on our journey and more specifically our quest for equality in Liam’s education.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/96-the-power-of-words-the-words-weve-learned-and-how-they-give-us-power/2/
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95. Aorta Borealis: Telling His Story Through Music with Jesse Norell

In this episode we talk with Jesse Norell whose daughter’s diagnosis of Down syndrome and a heart condition inspired him to write an album. Using music as a cathartic means to heal and find his way through the unknown, Jesse shares his story in hopes of helping others find their song.
Order a CD: https://jessenorell.com/store
For people in the Minneapolis area, Jesse is playing an album release concert on Friday, April 8, 2022. Tickets are here: https://theparkwaytheater.com/all-events/jesse-norell-and-friends
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/03/24/95-aorta-borealis-telling-his-story-through-music-with-jesse-norell/2/
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94. Assuming Intelligence: Changing the Narrative of Down Syndrome with Dr. Vaish Sarathy

Today we are joined by Dr. Vaish Sarathy to discuss her Non-Linear Education method and to explore the positive affects that assuming intelligence has on all students regardless of presumed abilities.
Non-Linear Education: www.functionalnutritionforkids.com/nonlineareducation
Her TEDx talk "Who decides how smart you are'' where she talked about the value of Assuming Intelligence.
Vaish is a  Functional Nutrition Practitioner and Science Educator. She is the founder of  Functional Nutrition for Kids, and Plum Pudding Chemistry, both practices designed to optimize the learning potential of kids with Down Syndrome and/or Autism using both Functional Medicine and Non-Linear Education Principles.
She comes to Functional Nutrition with a mission to reframe health, cognition and optimal function for children with disabilities.  Her perspective is shaped by her non-speaking 14 year old son, who is (in his words) an Autist with Down Syndrome - a published poet, writer, and budding advocate.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/94-assuming-intelligence-changing-the-narrative-of-down-syndrome-with-dr-vaish-sarathy/2/
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93. Willie Dawkins: Desegregation and the Foundational Ingredients in the Fight for Inclusion

In 1969 Willie Dawkins was finishing first grade when his mother received a letter saying he would be transferring into a desegregated school the following year. In this episode we honor his story, his parents who gave him a foundation of love and support he needed to find his way through an unjust world and the advocates who came before us who fought for equality and laid the groundwork for our fight for inclusion.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/93-desegregation-and-the-foundational-ingredients-in-the-fight-for-inclusion/2/
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92. Liam Turns Twelve: A Mother’s Message

This week Lori shares thoughts on Liam’s twelfth birthday.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/02/24/92-liam-turns-twelve-a-mothers-message/2/
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91. Valentine’s Week: Changing Hearts & Minds About Education

This week we talk about our personal experience discussing education and inclusion with someone we love who is of the belief that educating our children is asking 'extra' of the school system. We also talk about our new IEP and a story that demonstrates: it is a change of heart that will change the mind that can change the world.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/02/17/91-valentines-week-changing-hearts-minds-about-education/2/
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90. An Uncomplicated Life: A Father’s Memoir of His Exceptional Daughter with Paul and Kerry Daugherty

This week we are joined by Paul and Kerry Daugherty to discuss Paul’s book about his daughter, Jillian. It is a book we wish we would have found earlier with the beautiful message of “expecting instead of accepting”. Whether you have a person with Down syndrome in your life or not, this book should be one you read and then share with others.
Paul's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Uncomplicated-Life-Fathers-Exceptional-Daughter/dp/0062359959
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/02/10/90-an-uncomplicated-life-a-fathers-memoir-of-his-exceptional-daughter-with-paul-and-kerry-daugherty/2/
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89. Inclusion at The Sundance Film Festival

In this week's episode we discuss perceptions and our experience with Lena Dunham's new film, SHARP STICK, which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival last week and starred Liam Saux. We discuss our concerns with Down syndrome representation, the affects of misperceptions and ultimately the overwhelmingly positive and insightful experience the project was to our entire family.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/02/03/89-inclusion-at-the-sundance-film-festival/2/
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88. Healing Through Yoga: Transform Loss Into Empowerment with Paul Denniston

We have the privilege of speaking again with our friend Paul Denniston. In this episode we discuss Paul’s new book where he breaks down his practice of healing.
Buy the book: https://www.pauldennistontraining.com/healing-through-yoga
Paul’s Website: https://griefyoga.com
Episode 22 - Paul’s 30 Minute Yoga Nidra Meditation: https://ifweknewthen.podbean.com/e/22-a-meditation-gift-from-paul-denniston/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/01/27/88-healing-through-yoga-transform-loss-into-empowerment-with-paul-denniston/2/
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87. Downs & Towns: Our Conversation with Houston Vandergriff

This week we have a wonderful conversation with photographer Houston Vandergriff and his mother Katie. We discuss education, advocacy, focusing on the positives and the importance of finding your passion. Houston has traveled the world and his pictures communicate its beauty in the most breath taking ways.
Houston’s website: https://www.downsandtowns.com/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2022/01/20/87-downs-towns-our-conversation-with-houston-vandergriff/2/
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86. Making Changes And A New Beginning

This week we welcome a New Year and a new school. We discuss how the educational system can make us feel and the importance of making a change when we know it’s right. We address the perceptions of failure and how to move forward after feeling broken.
Episode Transcript: https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/qsd29z/86_Making_Changes_And_A_New_Beginning_2bamo1.mp3
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85. Happy New Year: The Chromosome Song

The full rendition of the If We Knew Then podcast theme song “Chromosome” by Lori Saux and Stephen Saux.
Arrangement and mixing by Brady Harris.
www.BradyHarrisBand.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/12/30/85-happy-new-year-the-chromosome-song/2/
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84. Happy Everything To Everyone: A Holiday Message

As the year comes to a close, we share a few thoughts on the gifts of the year.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/12/23/84-happy-everything-to-everyone-a-holiday-message/2/
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83. The Self Determination Learning Circle at Club 21 with Kelly Kulzer-Reyes

Today we explore the Self Determination Program in California with Kelly Kulzer-Reyes of Club 21. Eighteen states in the US have similar personalized programs that distribute state funds in a way to insure that people with disabilities have access to appropriate services throughout their lifetime. An extremely informative episode for those who want to have more control of the state services provided for their loved ones.
Club 21: https://clubtwentyone.org
Disability Voices United: https://disabilityvoicesunited.org
Independent Facilitator groups:
https://www.guidelightgroup.org/about-us
https://www.neuronav.org/
https://www.allycs.org/ 
DDS website on Self Determination
https://www.dds.ca.gov/initiatives/sdp/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/12/16/83-the-self-determination-learning-circle-at-club-21-with-kelly-kulzer-reyes/2/
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82. John’s Crazy Socks - Spreading Happiness with John & Mark Cronin

In this episode we discuss advocacy in action with entrepreneur and advocate John Cronin and his father Mark. Together they have built the company Johns Crazy Socks, with a business model that Fortune 500 companies aspire to achieve. Through highlighting the strengths of others, cultivating dignity and spreading happiness they are making differences in our community and the world.
Website: https://johnscrazysocks.com/
Dance Party link: Online Dance Party with John (johnscrazysocks.com)
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/12/09/82-johns-crazy-socks-spreading-happiness-with-john-mark-cronin/2/
TEDx Talk on How People with Differing Abilities are Waiting to Help Us: John and Mark X. Cronin Give TEDx Talk on the Power of People with Dif (johnscrazysocks.com)
John Donates $100,000 to the Special Olympics: John's Crazy Socks Donates $100,000 to the Special Olympics (johnscrazysocks.com)
Researcher Publishes Dissertation on Employing People with Differing Abilities at John’s Crazy Socks: St. John’s University Researcher Publishes Dissertation on John’s Craz (johnscrazysocks.com)
John Joins Webinar on Keratoconus: John Cronin Speaks in Webinar on Keratoconus and Down Syndrome (johnscrazysocks.com)
Without the Special Olympics, There is No John’s Crazy Socks: Without the Special Olympics, there is No John's Crazy Socks (johnscrazysocks.com)
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnscrazysocks
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnsCrazySocks
LinkedIn: MXC  https://www.linkedin.com/in/mxcronin/
LinkedIn: JCS: https://www.linkedin.com/company/11171456/admin/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnscrazysocks/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Johnscrazysocks/
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81. USA Skateboarding’s “Skateboarding For All” Initiative with Miki Vuckovich

If all the world were a skate park, celebrating our abilities and individual expression would be a given. In this episode we talk to Miki Vuckovich from USA Skateboarding about their “Skateboarding For All” initiative. The beauty found in the inclusive skating community is one we strive to cultivate in the classroom and the world. You can join them on December 11th for a Virtual Wrap Party which includes members of the U.S. Olympic team and several skateboarding legends.
USA Skateboarding Web site: www.usaskateboarding.com
USA Skateboarding 2021 Wrap Party (tickets and info): https://usaskateboarding.com/blogs/news/meet-the-team-usa-skateboardings-2021-wrap-party
Miki Vuckovich, USA Skateboarding Director Of Development: miki.vuckovich@usaskateboarding.com
Skateboarding For All initiative announcement: https://usaskateboarding.com/blogs/news/usa-skateboardings-inaugural-skateboarding-for-all-event-los-angeles-november-2021
Inaugural Skateboarding For All clinic, Los Angeles (11/6/21): https://youtu.be/hl4aWq7mWRo
USA Skateboarding, Journey To Tokyo documentary (45 min): https://youtu.be/Y5zbqoKlblg
What Is Adaptive Skateboarding? video (3 min): https://youtu.be/rUgWNT14iSg
Adaptive Skateboarding In The Paralympics video (7 min): https://youtu.be/bM3jKgI2lxg
Oscar Loreto, Jr. (USA Skateboarding Board Member and adaptive pro skater): https://www.instagram.com/oscarloretojr/?hl=en
Katherine Beattie (WCMX athlete): https://www.instagram.com/ktbeattie/?hl=en
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/12/02/81-usa-skateboardings-skateboarding-for-all-initiative-with-miki-vuckovich/2/
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80. Bertie’s Heart Surgery: Talking About The Scary Stuff with Melissa Kynoch

This week we are grateful to have Melissa Kynoch back with us to tell the story of her son, Bertie’s, heart surgery. It is a very scary experience that about half of all family’s in the Down syndrome community experience. We thank Melissa for opening up to us about the emotions she felt and for sharing all the things she wished she knew then.
12 Step Fellowship: https://www.na.org 
Wouldn’t Change A Thing - https://www.wouldntchangeathing.org 
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/11/25/80-berties-heart-surgery-talking-about-the-scary-stuff-with-melissa-kynoch/2/
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79. Reaching Our Advocation Milestones As Parents - with Julie Picot

In this episode we revisit Julie Picot and talk about what the past year has held for her family and their journey. We discuss the milestones reached on her advocacy path with her daughter Elyse and what she wish she would have known earlier. 
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/11/18/reaching-our-advocation-milestones-as-parents-with-julie-picot/2/
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78. A Son’s Advocacy: Another Conversation with Sader Issa

In this conversation we sit down with Sader Issa to get an update from the past year after graduating from Dentistry school and what his future holds. Being a man raised by a father with Down syndrome, we also discuss the rewards of advocacy and the awareness and change it creates vs. the negativity that can exist when his story is exposed to the many opinions of social media.
Preemptive Love: https://preemptivelove.org
L’Archie International: http://www.larche.org
Our First Episode with Sader: https://ifweknewthen.podbean.com/e/23-raised-by-a-father-with-down-syndrome-our-interview-with-sadar-issa/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/11/11/78-a-sons-advocacy-another-conversation-with-sader-issa/2/
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77. Practicing Gratitude Without Expectations: An Interview with Karen Maezen Miller

November is known as the month of gratitude and there is no one better to talk to about gratitude then our good friend Karen Maezen Miller. Maezen is a Zen Buddhist Priest who consistently gifts us wonderful words of wisdom. Today we discuss the practice of gratitude and how releasing expectations brings us closer to true thankfulness.
Maezen’s website: https://karenmaezenmiller.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/11/04/77-practicing-gratitude-without-expectation-an-interview-with-karen-maezen-miller/2/
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76. Catching Up with Melissa Kynoch: A Year and a Half Later

October is Down Syndrome Awareness Month and to end the month we revisited with Melissa Kynoch. Melissa is a past guest who may be best known for her appearance on the BBC Documentary Series ‘Life and Birth’. We discussed her experiences of the past 18 months and what changes she would like to see in society regarding the perceptions of people with Down syndrome.
BBC 'Life and Birth: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000j6v0/life-and-birth-series-1-episode-4 
12 Step Fellowship: https://www.na.org 
Wouldn’t Change A Thing - https://www.wouldntchangeathing.org 
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/76-catching-up-with-melissa-kynoch-a-year-and-a-half-later/2/
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75. A Loving Kindness Meditation Gift from Paul Denniston

October is Down Syndrome Awareness Month. We’ve talked about self-care on this podcast and the importance for parents and caregivers to find the time to take care of themselves. We are so grateful that Paul Denniston has once again gifted us, and our listeners, with a guided meditation. This time Paul will guide us through a wonderful Loving Kindness Meditation to help us with the many struggles we can face when we so often put others before ourselves.
Paul’s Website: https://griefyoga.com
Episode 22 - Paul’s 30 Minute Yoga Nidra Meditation: https://ifweknewthen.podbean.com/e/22-a-meditation-gift-from-paul-denniston/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/10/14/75-a-loving-kindness-meditation-gift-from-paul-denniston/2/ 
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74. Creating An Inclusive Superhero Universe: A Conversation with Jack and Caitie Clonan

Cousins, Jack and Caitie, join us to reveal their concept of a Superhero Cinematic Universe where everyone has the courage to unapologetically be themselves. We discuss how their characters will celebrate the hero within and also the importance of inclusion for mental health. Caitie’s brother, Luke, stars as ‘Ultra Luke’ and we talk about their relationship and how she hopes to change the future by changing the perception of people with Down syndrome.
Jack and Caitie’s Website: https://linktr.ee/infiniteultras
Suicide Prevention Lifeline: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/10/07/74-creating-an-inclusive-super-hero-universe-with-jack-and-caitie-clonan/2/
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73. Down Syndrome Awareness Month: Acknowledging Those Who Came Before Us

October is Down Syndrome Awareness Month and in this episode we discuss the true meaning of awareness and advocacy. Many self advocates have blazed a trail for the new generation in our community and we name a few of them so that we know who to look up to when we need encouragement.
Frank Stevens’ speech to Congress (YouTube): https://youtu.be/vtS91Jd5mac
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/09/30/73-down-syndrome-awareness-month-acknowledging-those-who-came-before-us/2/
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72. Gifts of the Journey: A Sibling Conversation with Amy Hyde

In this final episode of our three-part sibling series, we sit down with Sophia and Jake Pratt’s sister, Amy Hyde, to discuss some of the gifts of having a sibling with Down syndrome. We also explore topics including advocacy, emotions and the R-word.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/09/22/72-gifts-of-the-journey-a-sibling-conversation-with-amy-hyde/2/
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71. Fasten Your Seatbelts: A Crash Course on Down Syndrome for Brothers and Sisters

In this second installment of our three-part siblings series, we visit with Dr. Brian Skotko and Sue Levine to talk about the book they wrote entitled, ‘Fasten Your Seatbelt: A Crash Course on Down Syndrome for Brothers and Sisters’. This is the first book written exclusively for teens with a brother or sister with Down syndrome and tackles a broad range of their most common issues and concerns.
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Fasten-Your-Seatbelt-Syndrome-Brothers/dp/1890627860 
Workshop for siblings:  https://siblingslearnaboutdownsyndrome.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/downsyndromesibbook
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/09/16/fasten-your-seatbelts-a-crash-course-on-down-syndrome-for-brothers-and-sisters/2/
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70. Insights of a Teenage Sibling: with Sophia Saux

In this first installment of a three part sibling series, we sit down with our 14 year old daughter, Sophia, to talk about her experiences as a sibling of a brother with Down syndrome.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/09/09/insights-of-a-teenage-sibling-with-sophia-saux/2/
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69. Uncertainties About the Return to School? You’re Not Alone.

As we return to school to find a new unknown, we may find ourselves facing familiar challenges and feelings.  In this episode we discuss the importance of a support system that reminds us we are never alone.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/09/02/69-uncertainties-about-the-return-to-school-youre-not-alone/2/
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68. The Importance of Special Needs Trusts and a Conservatorship: with Enrique Perez

What is the purpose of a Special Needs Trust? What is a Living Will? How do I set up a Conservatorship when my loved one is an adult? How much does all this cost? Attorney and advocate, Enrique Perez, sits down with us to answer all these questions and more on this extremely informative episode for the entire disability community.
Perez Law Group: www.perezlawgrp.com 
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/08/26/68-the-importance-of-conservatorships-and-a-special-needs-trust-with-enrique-perez/2/
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67. The Beginner’s Mind: An Interview with Karen Maezen Miller

We have the honor again of visiting with Zen Buddhist Priest, Karen Maezen Miller, to discuss the Zen term of a “beginner’s mind” which means an open, innocent and non-judging mind, the mind we bring to everything we do when we are beginners. 
Maezen’s website: https://karenmaezenmiller.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/08/17/66-the-beginners-mind-an-interview-with-karen-maezen-miller/2/
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66. A Conversation About Alzheimer’s with Dr. Brian Skotko

In this episode we visit with Dr. Brian Skotko again and talk about the impact of Alzheimer’s in the Down syndrome community and we discuss some pro-active steps that may help to improve the long-term wellness for people with Down syndrome.
Down Syndrome Brain Train: https://www.downsyndromebraintrain.com
Down Syndrome Clinic: https://www.dsc2u.org
Tar Heel Reader Book Collection: https://tarheelreader.org
Find A Nutritionist Near You: https://www.eatright.org
Dr. Brian’s Book “Fasten Your Seatbelt: A Crash Course on Down Syndrome for Brothers and Sisters”: https://www.woodbinehouse.com/product/fasten-seatbelt-crash-course-syndrome-brothers-sisters/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/08/11/66-a-conversation-about-alzheimers-with-dr-brian-skotko/2/
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65. The Down Syndrome Resource Foundation, Part 2 with Liv Meriano and Danielle McKinney

This week is part two of our conversation with Liv Meriano and Danielle McKinney, from the Down Syndrome Resource foundation based in British Columbia, Canada. In this episode we continue the discussion on education, supports, inclusion and changing the mindset and approach to supporting students to access the curriculum and reach their potential. 
Foundation Website: www.DSRF.org
Baskets of Love: https://www.basketsofloveds.com/
Learn at Home: https://www.dsrf.org/programs-&-resources/learn-at-home-5196/
DS Education International education guidelines: https://workdrive.zohoexternal.com/external/8CkAlci1QBB-Jxfap
The LowDOWN Podcast: https://www.dsrf.org/programs-&-resources/the-lowdown-podcast/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/08/05/65-the-down-syndrome-resource-foundation-part-2-with-liv-meriano-and-danielle-mckinney/2/
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64. Changing Our Mind and Approach to Education: Down Syndrome Resource Foundation

In this week’s episode we are joined by Danielle McKinney and Liv Meriano from the Down Syndrome Resource Foundation to talk about educational tools and strategies parents can use at home and implement in their child’s school IEP.
Foundation Website: www.DSRF.org
Baskets of Love: https://www.basketsofloveds.com/
Learn at Home: https://www.dsrf.org/programs-&-resources/learn-at-home-5196/
DS Education International education guidelines: https://workdrive.zohoexternal.com/external/8CkAlci1QBB-Jxfap
The LowDOWN Podcast: https://www.dsrf.org/programs-&-resources/the-lowdown-podcast/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/64-the-down-syndrome-resource-foundation/2/
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63. Just One Of The Guys: Our Interview with Jake Pratt

In this week’s episode Lori and Stephen visit with Jake Pratt, who with a little support, advocacy and inclusion is living his dreams and changing the narrative.
Jake’s UPS Commercial: https://youtu.be/fw97dqK6uiM
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/07/22/63-just-one-of-the-guys-our-interview-with-jake-pratt/2/
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62. Summer Advocacy: The Challenge Of Letting Go And Taking A Break

In this week’s episode Lori and Stephen discuss the sometimes difficult action of letting Summer just be Summer.
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/07/01/62-summer-advocacy/2/
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61. Hearts Of Joy International: Our Conversation with Lauren Costabile

In this week’s episode we speak to Lauren Costabile, the founder of Hearts of Joy International, an organization that provides life-saving heart surgery for individuals with Down syndrome all around the world. 
Website: www.heartsofjoyinternational.com
Amazon Wishlist: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1C1P8TA1C8NBU/ref=nav_wishlist_lists_1?_encoding=UTF8&type=wishlist 
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/06/23/61-hearts-of-joy-international-with-lauren-costabile/2/
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60. Downright Discrimination - Changing The Laws To Confirm That Every Life Is Equal

Today we interview Máire, Heidi and Liz about their ‘Downright Discrimination’ legal campaign which fights to change the law of the land and create equality for people with disabilities. Presently, in the U.K., it is illegal to abort a fetus after 24 weeks  unless it has Down's syndrome. A baby with Down syndrome can be aborted up to birth. We examine the effect this  inequality has on our community by creating separation and discrimination that follows us through life. We also talk about ways we can support the cause of changing the laws.
Give to the campaign: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/downrightdiscrimination/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/60-downright-discrimination-changing-the-laws-to-confirm-that-every-life-is-equal/2/
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59. Education, Adolescence and Advocacy: A Community Conversation with Mary Cole

Today we have a ‘Community Conversation’ with advocate Mary Cole discussing her inspiring experience with inclusion.  Mary lives in Cambridge, England and has a 14 year old son with Down syndrome named Ben.
Ben’s Nursery: https://www.colourboxmontessori.co.uk/
Online Session On Puberty: https://www.downs-syndrome.org.uk/our-work/services-projects/training/
Email 'Wouldn't Change A Thing' at WCATbook@gmail.com for this book: https://www.wouldntchangeathing.org/product/wcat-book-by-celebrate-t21/
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/06/10/59-education-adolescence-and-advocacy-a-community-conversation-with-mary-cole/2/
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58. COVID-19, Vaccinations and Picking Up Where We Left Off on the Road to Inclusion with Dr. Brian Skotko

In this week’s episode Dr. Brian Skotko shares the most up to date information surrounding the effects of COVID-19 on individuals with Down syndrome. We discuss the importance, safety and science of the vaccine along with tools to help with the process. As we enter back into the world, post-pandemic, the importance of inclusion in society continues along with so much more.
Down Syndrome Clinic to You: www.dsc2u.org
T21 Research Society: https://www.t21rs.org
COVID-19 Fact Sheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTAe4CVSGc8g63LMiTZftecZb-qHJbRdurgpvoRiyBg/edit?usp=sharing
Information for the employer and the employee: https://yournextstar.com/
Always Health Care: https://dsc2u.org/insurers
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/06/04/811/2/
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57. Revisiting The Story of Chris Nikic: Becoming an IRONMAN

In this week’s episode we revisit one of our earlier conversations. We had the honor of talking to Chris Nikic and his parents, Nik and Patty last summer. In November Chris became the first person with Down syndrome to complete an IRONMAN. We discuss their 1% philosophy and how people with Down Syndrome can do more than ever expected if given the right tools and time.
Chris's Website: https://chrisnikic.com
Episode Transcript: https://ifweknewthen701833686.wordpress.com/2021/05/27/57-revisiting-the-story-of-chris-nikic-becoming-an-ironman/2/
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